11.25.2011

So I'm Rewatching the Old Eps of "Grey's Anatomy", Right.....

Feel free...to hate on me.
...because the newer ones were making me yawn.  Anywho, I was in a bit of denial about Shonda Rimes being black.  Don't get me wrong...I knew.  But I didn't want to accept, know what I'm saying?

First, let's talk the good.  For example, I love Chandra Wilson.  I think she's one of the most beautiful women on television.  And no, I'm not saying that she's a deep, soulful, conveniently asexual type of beautiful; Chandra Wilson is fine, and I can't take my eyes off her.

She has these pretty, youthful, almost innocent dark eyes which contrast sharply with her voice and her 'tude on the show.  I think her nose is very cute, which again makes her seem younger than she is.  And she has these lips which you know other actresses in Hollywood would sell their souls for.

Don't even get me started on that flawless skin of hers.

Soooooo my kind of dress.
Yes, she has a big ass, and it ain't store-bought.  Those damn scrubs don't do her body any kind of justice.  It's why I didn't even  bother screencapping the show.  I mean, why look at her in those unflattering scrubs and white coats when I can gawk at her on the red carpet?

In addition to seeing a tall, dark-skinned, natural-haired beauty like Issa Rae in popular media (yes...YouTube counts and speaking of counts...we have less than 2 weeks until the next ABG ep), I like seeing a woman who reminds me a lot of me.  We have similar complexions, similar shapes, and similar tastes (off the show, that is).

Too bad her fabulousness was barely enough to keep me watching past Season 3.  Now, I'm just eager for more Chandra-centric material.

And I do like her character of Dr. Miranda Bailey, but honestly, I feel there should be more men chasing after her.  I sometimes got a whiff of chemistry between her and - I kid you not - Patrick Dempsey's character, though I feel he's unworthy.  When it comes to being a King of Bland, he gives Michael Vartan a run for his money.

Though I'll admit, Dempsey's the superior actor.

Anywho, if Ole Doc Sheppy had to get nekkid with someone who wasn't his wife, it should've been Dr. Bailey.  They just had this...something between them.  Perhaps it's the nerd bond.  As kids, she was a bookworm and he was a band geek.  *shrug*  Match made in heaven.

So if I'm going to start with the bestest part of the show (for Moi, anyway), it's Chandra Wilson as Dr. Bailey.  Ms. Shonda Rimes gets a nod on that.

One last pic real quick, y'all.

Tell me you don't want that dress.

And now...the not so good.


Rimes delivered us Dr. Meredith Grey (Ellen Pompeo), for which I can never forgive her.  Pompeo's character goes round in circles.  Her problems are boring and her face is hard to look at.  Seriously, I have to squint or something.  Sometimes I wonder if Rimes made her the lead in an act of subtle rebellion.  Like Dr. Grey was actually meant to be a stunning woman of color, but unsurprisingly enough, that idea got shot down.  So, Pompeo was cast as Rimes's revenge.

I watched up to God-knows-which season, compared it to the older eps, and there's no real change.  She's our requisite, predictable white female lead, complete with the bony body, the highlights, the blue eyes, the permanently damaged, prematurely aging skin, and a characterization that's literally only skin deep.

Initially, I looked at actress Ellen Pompeo and I thought, "The richer she gets, the better she'll look.  She'll be able to afford some real food, she'll hire a dermatologist, a vocal coach, and with enough luck, she'll stop looking like Renee Zellweger's malnourished twin and sounding like a wheezy Carrie Bradshaw."  Alas, in later seasons, all I saw was a windblown actress miserably losing the war with age.

Keep in mind, this isn't some random hatefest on the white girls.  When Ole Doc Sheppy left Dr. Grey (briefly) to go back to his wife (played by Kate Walsh), and everyone was like, "Why oh why?", I was like, um...duh much?

Yes.  Yes, a man would go back to
this after dealing with Meredith Grey.
I've always wondered why, if they absolutely had to have a white girl in the lead, why wasn't Katherine Heigl cast as Meredith Grey instead of that useless and incredibly annoying character Dr. Izzie Stevens (whose characterization Heigl herself criticized)?  I mean, seriously: if you had to spend most of an hour watching only one of the two, whom would you pick?

The rightful Dr. Grey

Now...I haven't forgotten Sandra Oh.  Obviously, I cannot forget Sandra Oh.


But I'm thinking Dr. Christina Yang might need her own post.  And a tube of pure lard jacked into her veins...STAT.

41 comments:

  1. The resemblance between you and Chandra is uncanny! And yes, that's your dress. Speak life!

    Damn, that woman is skinny. I mean, damn! Really, da-yum. Go eat a pot of cheese grits, two loaves of bread, a cow with gravy, and two red velvet cakes.

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  2. Won't lie. Enjoyed quite a bit of schadenfreude watching Meredith and Izzie personify train wreck.

    The reason why Ellen was cast as Meredith imho is because while I believe she's beautiful, she has a natural beauty and women won't feel threatened by her. Meredith is the girl the audience (read: white women) can imprint themselves on.

    I think people loved Izzie but she was all about the drama so for them it was like watching the downfall of Barbie.

    I don't have anything to add about Bailey except, CO-SIGNED. I won't lie. I loved the fact that she was unattached for a long time because she was the only person who didn't get caught up in the drama and had sense. I was happy when she finally got a love interest in the last season or so.

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  3. The reason why Ellen was cast as Meredith imho is because while I believe she's beautiful, she has a natural beauty and women won't feel threatened by her. Meredith is the girl the audience (read: white women) can imprint themselves on.

    She has lovely eyes. I find her most bearable to look at when she has her surgical mask on.

    I think that if she would just darken her hair, stay out of the sun and tanning beds, and gained like 30-40lbs, she'd be quite a looker.

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  4. Hmm, I tried to post but it said it was too big and despite the note above, it didn't show up, and I'm not sure if I should post again b/c I don't want it to show up like 10 times...

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  5. Okay, trying again, splitting it in two.

    See, but I'm missing out on the Ellen Pompeo being beautiful, natural or otherwise. She hurts my eyes. She's skinny in that way that white women love, b/c they start resenting their bodies as soon as they develop secondary sex characteristics. If I had a nickel for every time I had to listen to a white woman who was shaped like an adult woman pine after the figures of white women who are built like 9 year old boys, I'd be retired. They NEVER make peace with the idea of having hips and breasts, and legs wider than a toothpick. They can look great and complain about 10 lbs that no one can see b/c of their obsession with weighing no more than 100lbs ever. And then they'll turn to you with that nonsense and expect you to agree that you wish you were built like a 9 year old boy too.

    I've only had to sit through a couple of episodes, thanks to some friends who were fans of the show at the beginning, but I was shocked that Meredith Gray was supposed to be some young medical resident. She looks old enough to be running the hospital, although that is unrealistic b/c no one could sit through a staff meeting listening to that voice.

    She's WAY too old looking to convincingly play someone just out of medical school. So they lost me right there. They needed to write into the story line that this was her second or fifth career.

    Then they fall into the typical formula of taking a plain, boring, annoying, self-centered female lead and having every man in the building totally smitten with her and and her extraordinary mediocrity. I'm not sure how you feel about the Family Guy, but I was watching an episode where they made a pitch perfect joke about that in reference to Twilight. The son Chris had some Twilight puppets of the male leads and they were going back and forth about how they were both fighting over the same ugly girl. Of course, when the first puppet popped up and said that he was chasing after an ugly girl, I thought it was going to be a spoof of True Blood, which has the exact SAME scenario.

    I often wonder what kind of glasses these casting agents are wearing that any homely, used up looking bleached blond actress can be cast as the captivating goddess that all men are mad to be with.

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  6. I think Kate Walsh is at least attractive enough for me to believe that she'd have numerous admirers(and she's one of the many natural blonds who did herself a favor by dying her hair red-they fawn after that hair color so much but it does so few of them ANY favors). Even if she had Ellen Pompeo's irritating personality and awful voice, she still is better looking. I mean really. Ellen Pompeo looks at least 50 to me. I can't be the only one who thinks that she looks hella old.

    When I read articles about this stuff, people love to hate on Katherine Heigl, but again, I don't understand white people you wouldn't want to look at her...I'm sure she is tiny b/c it is a prerequisite to work in Hollywood but she at least has a curvy, feminine look to her...both in her features and her body (and you know, I keep getting ill when I see ads trying to promote Michelle Williams who I also find to be horribly unattractive and who is totally shapeless, as Marilyn Monroe and wonder why they didn't get Heigl b/c she at least seems to have the physical presence to play the role).

    I also read a recent post that brought up Grey's Anatomy and people were talking about the fact that Dr. Bailey gets no play. And the comment, which had my blood boiling, was that of course she doesn't b/c she's OLD and FAT. Yep.

    I don't know how they look at their old, dried up skin and read "young and youthful" but can look at the flawless skin of a black woman and say that she looks like an old lady. And this happens all of the time. It irks me to no end.

    But why do so many shows have white female leads who are both ugly AND annoying that I'm supposed to believe get every boy in town while everyone else sleeps alone?

    I'm not sure of your feelings on Sandra Oh but I have always found her hard to look at(but she was good on Arli$$) but assumed she gets the "all Asian women are so hot" treatment but proves the whole, no, not so much...she might not be all dried up like Ellen Pompeo but she does not look young to my eyes at all, so watching her act all brand new is also irritating to me.

    But you aren't kidding about Chandra Wilson looking like your play cousin/secret sister judging by your pic here...

    @Neo, the level of drama they bring into the workplace is insane, but as someone who went to medical school let me tell you that the extent to which people sleep with each other and hook up and marry in the hospital is quite real. It's not like a normal workplace and people never learn those (HR) rules about harassment or the old meme "Don't get your honey where you make your money..."

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  7. Try it again. It hasn't shown up, and it's not in the spam blocker. So try posting again, in parts if necessary.

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  8. Oh, and I guess that calling a black woman with naturally large breasts and a bit butt fat while proclaiming how much you love J.Lo or Salma Hayek or Kim K. (although the last two have implants)seems de rigueur for them.

    Can't acknowledge that the black girls naturally have anything that you'd want after all...

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  9. Nicthommi...how do you have this bizarre ability to literally read my mind? You've just said everything I thought and you said it muuuuuuuuuuch better than I ever could.

    but as someone who went to medical school let me tell you that the extent to which people sleep with each other and hook up and marry in the hospital is quite real.

    Are you serious????

    When I read articles about this stuff, people love to hate on Katherine Heigl, but again, I don't understand white people you wouldn't want to look at her...I'm sure she is tiny b/c it is a prerequisite to work in Hollywood but she at least has a curvy, feminine look to her...both in her features and her body

    Katherine Heigl criticized the show and left to make ridiculous millions doing films. And she's look-at-able. That combo tends to bring on the hate.

    She puts me in mind of Jeri Ryan (Seven of Nine) and Jolene Blalock (T'Pol) who also scrutinized the writing on their shows. Blalock was flat-out critical, and then tends to generate 'tude from fans and showrunners.

    Ladies and gents, writers are not infallible, and before we rag on actors and actresses, we need to pause and hold the folks penning the scripts responsible.

    Like Meredith Grey. I blame Shonda Rimes & Co. for Meredith Grey, not Pompeo. However...Pompeo's appearance is an issue. She's not attractive. She could be, but she's not, and her voice annoys me to no end. the fact that people are Googling "Ellen Pompeo Hot" is downright laughable.

    But you aren't kidding about Chandra Wilson looking like your play cousin/secret sister judging by your pic here...

    I just thought we were similar in some general ways. I don't think we look that much alike but if we, do...hello, compliment!!!

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  10. See, but I'm missing out on the Ellen Pompeo being beautiful, natural or otherwise. She hurts my eyes.

    For real.

    he's skinny in that way that white women love, b/c they start resenting their bodies as soon as they develop secondary sex characteristics.

    Her husband's Black, which makes me wonder about the basis of their marriage.

    She look tolerable while she was pregnant. I bet he couldn't keep his hands off her after that.

    I'm not sure of your feelings on Sandra Oh but I have always found her hard to look at(but she was good on Arli$$) but assumed she gets the "all Asian women are so hot" treatment but proves the whole, no, not so much...she might not be all dried up like Ellen Pompeo but she does not look young to my eyes at all, so watching her act all brand new is also irritating to me.

    She needs her own post, but no...neither she nor Pompeo has the fresh from med school look. TR Knight and Heigl nailed the look and sound, but those two didn't. And I know that picture of Sandra was meant to be sexy or whatever, but...um...fail.

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  11. Ellen Pompeo is married to a brother? Go head on sister. I ain't mad at you.

    "If I had a nickel for every time I had to listen to a white woman who was shaped like an adult woman pine after the figures of white women who are built like 9 year old boys, I'd be retired. They NEVER make peace with the idea of having hips and breasts, and legs wider than a toothpick. They can look great and complain about 10 lbs that no one can see b/c of their obsession with weighing no more than 100lbs ever. And then they'll turn to you with that nonsense and expect you to agree that you wish you were built like a 9 year old boy too. "

    Thank you. I've noticed that's a huge difference between white and black culture. Many white folks constantly gripe about how JLo has a big ass and I'm like where? The one I see has actual curves and it's gorgeous but I don't know where the hell they're getting big from?

    I've even noticed this with black and white men. White guys will often bitch about a woman being "fat" because she actually has curves whereas brothers can appreciate a figure 8 hourglass physique. Say what you will about Sir Mix A Lot, he had a point in the song, Baby Got Back.

    Hell a lot of white boys can appreciate women with curves. You see so many of them keep marrying sisters.

    And it's always a catch 22 because when women do attain that level of thinness, they get criticized for being too thin and unhealthy. Calista Flockhart is a naturally thin woman and she caught so much flack while she starred as Ally McBeal. But if she had put on 5 or 10 lbs, they'd be complaining that she's obese.

    "but as someone who went to medical school let me tell you that the extent to which people sleep with each other and hook up and marry in the hospital is quite real."

    *envisions tons of sex with a naked Dr. Sloan*

    DAMN IT! Knew I should've become a doctor. File this under why you should always listen to your mama!

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  12. Yes, I went to medical school after working for several years, and my younger 20 something classmates rotated through each other like there was no tomorrow. I know of two couples that wound married after the girls got knocked up. Yep, med students who apparently don't know how to work birth control. And then both proceeded to have back to back babies after the shotgun weddings. So weird.

    SO many of them wound up married, although sometimes after a couple of failed relationships with other people. And they'll wind up working in the same hospitals and then having to deal with each other after divorces too. So Shonda is spot on with their nonsense.

    There is actually a thing called couples matching, where you can actually apply to residencies with your partner/SO/spouse and the applications are designated as such. There are no guarantees, but it at least puts it out there that you want to be there with that person. And I know plenty of people who wound up at certain hospitals b/c they were trying to follow someone who wound up dumping them. It's okay, b/c at the end of the day, you just need the training, but people will wind up in random places and when you ask why, the story starts, "well I was dating this guy/girl." Of course, sometimes it goes really badly b/c I had another college classmate who tried to couples match with his then girlfriend and she matched and he didn't and then she dumped him.

    He did eventually match somewhere else and met and married someone else.

    But yeah, they mess with each other like mad, so that part of the story is VERY true. And sometimes it is with fellow medical students, sometimes it is with residents, and sometimes it is with attendings. I saw all three.

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  13. I find that picture to of Sandra Oh to be hard to stomach. Yuck. There are lovely women of all races, but she is not one.

    Calista Flockhart may be pretty small boned, but most of those women in Hollywood go to bed hungry every night, and some of them admit it.

    You have women who used to look pretty good who look like they are on crack and meth (like Teri Hatcher and Demi Moore). Unless you are sick, you don't naturally drop 20-30 lbs as you age, esp. when you were already a nice weight. Your metabolism slows, it doesn't speed up. Kim Cattrall said something about having been on a diet since the 70's. And she's a good example of a woman who looks like a grown ass woman and yet I bet she wishes she looks like Horsey McWhinny (aka Sarah Jessica Parker) and her tiny, dried up boy body.

    Have you noticed the trend towards actresses who not only are hella skinny but who look like they missed puberty entirely(e.g. Mila Kunis, Rachel Bilson, Natalie Portman)? I've seen Ms. Portman in real life and it was like standing next to a child, and I'm 5'6. Again, I choke when I have to hear white men and women talk about their hot bodies. And I think, are you a pedophile, b/c my friend's 9 year old daughter is curvier than all 3 of them.

    But back to Grey's. Why does an established writer who has what, 2 shows on primetime, network TV not give the sisters and brothers some love? It doesn't need to be the Cosby Show but dang. I know Hollywood is hard for black writers but once you make it, will they take it away if you throw crumbs to black actors? Why was no new black male brought on after Isaiah Washington got fired? As I said, I never watched the show much, but was corny a$$ Taye Diggs up there before Private Practice went on the air, or is Kate Walsh the only cross-over star? And seriously, if you are going to give a role to a black man, why pick perennial show killer Taye Diggs? He's like a black, male Paget Brewster.

    I mean, I haven't been to Seattle and there are definitely hospitals where doctors of color are in short supply but why are the only black people an old man that we don't want to see have a love story and a black woman who is alone (wasn't the character married at one point? Yeah, can't let people think that black folks actually have stable, long-lasting marriages.)

    Yes, some white men start realizing the women with breasts, hips, and butts to balance it all out (as opposed to wide hips with a pancake butt) are a nice thing. Without the corrupting influence of the media, men are supposed to be attracted to women who a)look like they are well-nourished b)look like they could conceive and carry healthy babies. Your symmetry and development indicate that you have been well-nourished since you were just a clump of cells, so on some primal level, that instinct should exist in everyone.

    But plenty act like a big butt makes you fat but skinny legs with a big belly (which their women tend to have) is "skinny." Weird.

    These white women refuse to eat and their skin, hair, teeth, and bodies show it, and then they try to botox, inject, cap/crown, and clip on pieces to cover the deficiences caused by their refusal to maintain a healthy adult weight. You won't need (so much at least) implants, restalyne, botox fake teeth, and hair pieces if you go eat a damn sandwish.

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  14. @Neo, check out Ellen's husband. I'm no expert, but he does not read like a man who likes women to me...so their stuff is kind of interesting...

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  15. most of those women in Hollywood go to bed hungry every night, and some of them admit it.

    Like Sarah Michelle Gellar. She admitted to suffering from body dysmorphia, and fans merely flocked to worship her bone-thin frame, or dismiss her statements all together. It's like there's this giant pink elephant in the room when women in Hollywhite talk about weight and plastic surgery, and no one wants to talk about it...even when they're talking about it.

    And if you insist upon talking about it, you're just a fat, angry (black) hater.

    Why does an established writer who has what, 2 shows on primetime, network TV not give the sisters and brothers some love? It doesn't need to be the Cosby Show but dang. I know Hollywood is hard for black writers but once you make it, will they take it away if you throw crumbs to black actors?

    She is. Kerry Washington will be starring as Olivia Pope, a white woman dipped in chocolate, in her own show "Scandal" on ABC as a mid-season replacement. She will film 7 eps for season one, and $20 says we will never see a season two.

    Why was no new black male brought on after Isaiah Washington got fired?

    Million-dollar question, boo-boo. And instead of bringing yet another tragic Grey onto the show, why wasn't a beautiful young black woman brought on. We had the curvy Latina and the skinny Korean. We couldn't have some young black temptress on the show as well?

    Was Blair Wingo too busy? Did Benita Krista Nall or Tiffany Hines or Chrystee Pharris just NOT want a paycheck?

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  16. Oh my gosh, yes I was a HUGE Buffy fan and Sarah Michelle Gellar is right up there. She is the perfect example of that super small, pre-pubescent body type that I'm talking about. Her sex scenes on that show always made my skin crawl b/c she looked like a child. Charisma Carpenter always looked like an Amazon compared to her (but like a proper grown woman).

    You are spot on with the fact that when you point out that all of these women are unnaturally small that you are jealous and fat. It's a mix between women who admit to never eating and women who claim that they eat tons, and then you get all of these people chiming in that it's discrimination against the skinny, who can't help that they are like that.

    Yes, we all know that there are people who cannot gain weight to save their lives, but they do not all magically wind up in Hollyweird.

    Funnily enough, most of the people I know who REALLY seem to have a wooden leg are black women. No one is skinnier than a naturally skinny black woman(not what we see on TV, but those girls you know in real life), but even a lot of those girls still have an apple bottom and some have shockingly big chests to boot.

    Oh, that's good to know (re: Scandal). Funny, there are plenty of black actresses that I think white people could vibe off of...right body type, right age, and most importantly, in need of work but they have a hard time don't they? But even when they "look right" they are made asexual and invisible to the menfolk. I wonder if Ms. Washington will get any loving on her show?

    Of course, if you put a Kerry Washington or Gabrielle Union next to women who are supposedly their age, like Sandra Oh and Ellen Pompeo, what happens. Do people notice their haggish-ness then?

    So sad, I had to google images to match those names with faces, but no way are they letting any of those women show up their dried up blondes. They can't have word getting how many attractive brown skinned ladies there are out there. They need to act like there are about 5 good looking black women and everyone else looks like a beast. You know, the whole, Beyonce/Tyra/Halle are pretty but they are "barely black" and just look like "tan" white women...

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  17. So sad, I had to google images to match those names with faces, but no way are they letting any of those women show up their dried up blondes. They can't have word getting how many attractive brown skinned ladies there are out there. They need to act like there are about 5 good looking black women and everyone else looks like a beast.

    Woman...*bows to the mistress*

    Sad, isn't it? I first saw Blair Wingo on an ep of Malcolm in the Middle (about to do a post on her actually). She was smooching on the eldest son, who was completely smitten with her.

    Benita Krista Nall was also on MiM but that's not where I first noticed her. It was actually in the 7th season of BtVS, where she's listing her boyfriend woes to Anyanka at the Bronze.

    The people on Nikita wore the hell out of of Tiffany Hines's name in the credits, but she appeared in half that number of eps, and she died before the first season even ended. Mm-hm.

    Chrystee Pharris had mad chemistry with Zach Braff and is THE best-looking woman he ever dated on Scrubs. Three eps was all they gave her before the writers broke them up over some total bullshit.

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  18. I recognized the faces but had to use IMDB and Wikipedia to place them and to not be shocked by their lack of work. I did watch Scrubs (another medical show that while a comedy gets SO much right about that environment). I think Grey's gets it right in terms of the fact that a lot of people in the hospital have the emotional stability and maturity of 12 year olds. A 30 year old who went straight to med school and then did a residency does not develop into/act like a real adult like someone who goes to work after college or something shorter like a master's degree. Scrubs gets just about everything else right...

    Scrubs already had the blond (also too skinny but much better in Scrubs than when she was fake Becky on Roseanne) that was supposed to be the hot girl that JD was hopelessly in love with so now way they could let the black girl upstage her there either.

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  19. Um, okay, I had to google Tiffany Hines and can I be mad on this post that they have her playing the adopted daughter of Tamara Taylor on Bones? B/c she is nearly 30 and while I know that we age well(so I'm assuming the character is a teenager), I dislike it b/c it sets up Tamara Taylor as some matronly spinster.
    But then I'll have to watch a white women who looks twice her age actually having a baby...ugh.

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  20. "Horsey McWhinny."

    I'm done. That's it; I've officially lost it...

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    @ "DEEEZ"

    Learn the definitions of "pedophile" and "voyeuristic" before you use them. Look up "sarcasm" while you're at it.

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  22. @Nicthommi, It's a possibility but as a general rule, I try not to judge and speculate because if he is one of our own, I don't want to risk doing harm to him.

    In regards to Washington, they did bring in Jackson Avery a few seasons later (and yes they should've done it sooner) when two of the hospitals merged and he and another character was one of the few to remain.

    To be fair, it's hard to say where Chandra Rhimes ends and where ABC brass begins in regards to decisions regarding casting and introduction of characters. And ultimately the ABC Brass has the last say and they have stepped in and made some massive decisions before. God only knows what choices they made behind closed doors.

    For instance, they wrote Hahn out of the show unceremoniously, because ABC brass initially wanted to de-gay the show and there were also reports that the actress wasnt' conventionally attractive enough to hold the role. While I couldn't stand the character, I thought the actress deserved better than that. Now we're talking about a blond white woman. I think the one of the main reasons they brought in Arizona was between the Washington's incident and the firing of Hahn, the network was beginning to look homophobic.

    Now you KNOW, if the ABC brass are tripping like that, then you know women of color and other POCs aren't going to fare much better.

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  23. @ Neo-Prodigy

    To be fair, it's hard to say where Chandra Rhimes ends and where ABC brass begins in regards to decisions regarding casting and introduction of characters.

    Have you read Shonda Rhimes's professional bio? We have her to thank for the "The Princess Diaries" and "Off the Map". Now after watching the trailer for "Scandal" - in which the presence of a Black leading woman is "balanced" out by, like, a dozen white folks - I'm on the fence with her.

    For instance, they wrote Hahn out of the show unceremoniously, because ABC brass initially wanted to de-gay the show and there were also reports that the actress wasnt' conventionally attractive enough to hold the role.

    Don't even get me started on that. "De-gay" the show? "Gaying" the show was what made it tolerable for me. A pygmy needs a little something to get through watching Meredith Grey, in addition to the show's various melanin deficiencies. Hahn's random-ass departure pissed me off to no end (I actually happened to like her). And when I read TR Knight was leaving (LOVE O'Malley), I felt no reason to continue the show.

    All in all, I'm just disappointed. The first three seasons appear to be the most decent to me, and even they are horribly flawed.

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  24. And another thing....

    I'm really annoyed with the definition of "scary and damaged" used on Grey's Anatomy.

    Apparently, if you've known a friend, relative, or significant other that died, you're scary and damage. If you have a drunken, dysfunctional relative who can't get THEIR shit together, that means you're somehow automatically fucked up too.

    I mean, what is that? In addition to consulting with surgeons for shows like these, the writers need to consult with social workers. A social worker will let you know what a "fucked up" really means.

    Sit across the table from a child molester angrily demanding that you return his kids to him, and then me the whiny, emo, self-indulgent people on Grey's Anatomy are "fucked up."

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  25. ***comment moderation***

    DEEEZ, you idiot, waste-of-space troll. Kill yourself already, would you?

    You illiterate piece of shit...Nicthommi was mocking the actresses and saying they're basically flatter than her 9-year-old daughter, which, in grown-up world, is a called an "insult".

    Just FYI, if trolling like this and randomly accusing people of of pedophilia is how you entertain yourself, then find the nearest bridge and hurl yourself off it. Or take 60 aspirins the next time you get a headache. Gargle battery acid.

    Do whatever you can to take yourself off this planet as quickly as possible.

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  26. @Ankhesen, GIRL YES!

    I'll tell you what is scary and damaged and fucked up. Leaving a mother fucking multi-million dollar check on the motherfucking refrigerator for weeks to months on end. Oh yes Izzie, I'm looking at yo ass. If that ain't some fucked up white folks shit, I don't know what is.

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  27. @Neo, I've really seen so little of the show that I had to google the name you mentioned to know what had happened. As I said, I was over it when I saw that the show featured two 50 year olds playing "fresh-faced" medical residents.

    But see, this is what I'm talking about. I look up a lady who at least looks like she's eaten in the last 10 years and I compare her to Ellen Pompeo and I'm like really, she's the UGLY one?
    I don't even understand that.

    What was the story behind T.R. Knight leaving? Although his character was straight even though the actor is gay correct?

    And didn't the Latina have a relationship with a woman at one point? Does she still date women on the show or was it an Anne Heche kind of thing?

    Doesn't ABC have this weird thing since they are connected to Disney. I thought they had a history of homophobia b/c of that connection.

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  28. @Nicthommi, I don't know the specifics as to why T.R. Knight left, he departed around the same time Katherine Heigl did. From what little I read, it sounds like he wasn't happy with his role and he wasn't getting enough screen time (which to be fair was being reduced tremendously). And my God, could they not find that man a decent haircut. Yeah his character was straight even though he was outed on the show.

    After Hahn was kicked off the show, Ramirez began dating Arizona, a pediatrician who is essentially the anti-Hahn. She's sweet, upbeat, good with kids and is actually one of the better new characters the show introduced. I think Ramirez identified as bi but she and Arizona began to get very serious and almost broke up when Arizona revealed she had no desire to have kids whatsoever.

    ABC is owned by Disney which explains a lot of the fails we regularly see in their programming.

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  29. I'll tell you what is scary and damaged and fucked up. Leaving a mother fucking multi-million dollar check on the motherfucking refrigerator for weeks to months on end. Oh yes Izzie, I'm looking at yo ass. If that ain't some fucked up white folks shit, I don't know what is.

    Don't even get me started on that.

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  30. I really disliked the episode in Private Practice last season that was about gay men and aids. In it,the Black man is on the down low and is tested for aids without permission when he gets into an accident with his White male lover (who is not tested for aids). His wife who is of course Black, is ok when he tells her he is gay but slaps him when he tells her he is HIV positive. It is implied that it is ok to test someone without their consent, because they happen to have the disease they were testing for. This whole thing was beyond fucked up and pissed me off.

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  31. @Neoprodigy, who do they have the new black doctor dating? Do they just play into the typical story that he is going to be chasing Ellen Pompeo or some equally unimpressive white woman? I'll go ahead and go there b/c when Washington was on the show, wasn't he engaged to Sandra Oh's character? I would say "really" but I can't say it's not common in real life since I've met more than a few black male doctors who only date non-black women.

    At any rate, I'm probably not going to argue for including black men in your cast if you are just going to use them to further the idea that everyone only wants to date the white or Asian women b/c they are so much "sexier." And I wonder if it was deliberate that they replaced the dark-skinned black man with a green-eyed one(thanks Google) b/c I think it will make the non-blacks argue incorrectly that he's more white than black and pave the way for NEVER pairing him with a black woman. Just as an aside, I've noticed that EVERY light-skinned or blue, gray, or green-eyed black person is incorrectly identified as biracial by the media. They still think that we mix like paint (or fruit flies and flowers)...

    And why not let Dr. Bailey get some play from McSteamy? Didn't just about everyone else get a turn with him? I'm kind of underwhelmed by the Latina actress on that show based on the pictures I've seen and didn't even she get a turn too?

    But you know this story way better than me. I'm only vaguely aware b/c its actors' comments, antics, and personal lives frequently hit the news.

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  32. @Nicthommi
    Given the fact that Washington had orignally read for Dempsey's role and mofos flipped their shit a good 10x about a dark-skinned black man possibly being McDreamy...I don't even have to explain the fail there.

    Granted, given that everything that happened with Washington, it's a good thing that Dempsey was cast instead but it also answers the question why we can't have a black love interest or a black heroine as the primary protagonist on a primetime network series.

    I personally didn't have a problem with Washington and Oh being paired up because I was happy to see a POC couple together. And at least when we saw Bailey and her husband in the early seasons or the Chief and his wife (Loretta Devine) appear (granted not enough), it debunked that black men don't want black women nonsense that too many mofos are quick to qualify. I won't lie. I got a kick out Washington's mother, the always-fierce Diahann Carroll put Oh in her place multiple times.

    Re: Avery, he wasn't dating anyone at the time while I was watching but I thought it was hilarious that in one episode, they played up the fact that he used his looks influence and manipulate the female staff (read white women) who were fawning over his puppy dog eyes. I'm sure that's changed since then and he's playing someone's exotic fantasy.

    Wikipedia Check: Yep, Lil Grey.

    "Just as an aside, I've noticed that EVERY light-skinned or blue, gray, or green-eyed black person is incorrectly identified as biracial by the media."

    Okay? Thank you!!!!! That is until we do something to piss off white folks and suddenly we're blacker than black.

    I remember having a conversation years back with a dude at college because I wasn't aware at the time that Lisa Bonet was biracial. And the white dude was like, well it's obvious, she is light skinned. I then explained to him that doesn't mean anything I've got two sisters who are lighter than her, (one of them has brown hair, light brown eyes and that "good hurr") and our parents are both black and a darker shade.

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  33. (continued...)

    "And why not let Dr. Bailey get some play from McSteamy? Didn't just about everyone else get a turn with him? I'm kind of underwhelmed by the Latina actress on that show based on the pictures I've seen and didn't even she get a turn too?"

    Honestly, I hate to say this but I was actually glad they never explored Bailey's relationships until later seasons and here's why. Virtually every character on that show, the second they have sex or get involved in a relationship retrogresses from mature adults to petulant adolescents who can't control their loins.

    Given that Bailey was the only character on that show I actually enjoyed, I always dreaded that they would do the same to her. When she told Addison to stop giving all her power to another man and own her shit, I actually cheered.

    Ironically as Sloan mentioned to the McDreamy aka the Hair, Bailey is regarded as the classiest woman in the hospital. In fact, Sloan was actually crushed when Bailey called Sloan a ho and a slut. Basically Bailey said this while defending Sloan all these nurses (white women) started "protesting" Sloan because he slept with them and never committed. Bailey put the nurses on blast and told em they knew who they were dealing with when they fucked with him. He was perfectly honest about his intentions and they still chose to fuck with him. He never promised them anything and they thought they would be the ones to change him so they need to own up to the fact that if they sleep with a man they know beforehand is only looking for fun and choose to do so anyway, that's on them.

    Bailey's old-school, Christian values and doesn't sleep on the first date and gets to know a guy. Sloan's whoring wouldn't play as far she goes. Me on the other hand, I'd be tapping it every chance I'd get. The ambulance, the OR, the nurse's station, I don't care. McSteamy would be getting a workout. But Bailey keeps it classy. I was actually happy when she began dating the very fine and very sexy Ben Warren and I didn't watch the later seasons but she apparently started dating a male nurse named Eli Lloyd.

    Now in saying all of this, I realize this hits the black woman is asexual/undesirable trope and isn't afforded her own relationships. But given the horrid writing on Grey's Anatomy, it's one of those, take the lesser of the two evils for me. But trust when I say, POINT TAKEN!!!

    Sloan and Callie (the Latina doctor) hooked up as a friends with a benefit deal but they're more buddies than anything else. She was actually a very cool character but that racefail they subjected her to with the whole George/Izzie/Callie triangle about had me ready to gouge my eyes out.

    They literally had Callie begging Izzie not to steal George from her. And whoa and behold, George cheats on Callie and picks the fabled white woman over Callie anyway. And just as I called it, as soon Izzie got with George she would get bored and would dump him. I won't lie, I was cheering when Karma came back to bite both George and Izzie in the ass.

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  34. @Stephanie.

    Thank you for the heads up. That ish confirms that me quitting Private Practice and Grey's was the right call.

    What did it for me was last season on Private Practice when after Dell died to save a pregnant Maya (Sam and Naomi's daughter), no one wanted to step up to take care of Dell's daughter even when they all acknowledged Dell would've taken care of their kids without hesitation because he considered them all family. All of these rich ass doctors who could more than afford to take care of a small child couldn't be bothered to look after their friend's daughter, out of pure selfishness.

    That's when I lost respect for the whole damn lot of them.

    That downlow BS is straight out of Tyler Perry's For Colored Girls Only.

    And I find it interesting that only time blacks get representation in regards to any kind of gay media is when it's an HIV ad.

    Funny how that shit keeps playing out.

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  35. Given the fact that Washington had orignally read for Dempsey's role

    Whaaaaaaat??? I didn't know that.

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  36. @Neoprodigy...thanks for the thorough explanation of the Grey's history for me. It's kind of interesting b/c it provides a good springboard for these discussions, and I can't make myself watch it b/c of the things I'd already mentioned.

    Yeah, in college I had a classmate who had a German mother and black dad and her youngest sister was darker than her dad (and darker than me for that matter). I don't know why white people are so in denial about the rainbow of colors that black people come in. Any black parents knows that when they have a baby, it could pop out looking any number of ways. It's something that is kind of unique to us I think, b/c for example, my Asian friends backgrounds are 100% Asian so that doesn't happen to them (not that I haven't known Asian women hoping that their kids would have blond hair or blue eyes).

    Interesting that Washington tried out for Dempsey's role. I didn't know that either.

    What was the racefail with the Callie/Izzy/George love triangle? The fact that he left her for the blond white woman?

    Well, you know, I think that someone like Avery would have that pull in real life, b/c he represents a "safe" way to live out the Mandingo fantasy...you know, you'd have your black man but could argue to your racist family that he's barely black. I'm from KY, and was back there the summer of 2008, and it was interesting to here some of those Southern white women lick their lips over Obama. I had a fitness instructor who came to class and told us how she had dreams of him kissing her. OMG.

    It's interesting how in the end, a black woman usually gets to have no sex life or love interests unless she is part of an all-black cast. Or, it will be a single or few episode diversity deal...

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  37. @Nicthommi: I've enjoyed this discussion as well. It's nice to be in a safe space and be able to exchange thoughts and ideas without idiots trying to shut down meaningful discussions.

    "I don't know why white people are so in denial about the rainbow of colors that black people come in."

    This reminds me of writing critique groups I've belonged in. I've written stories that feature dark-skinned black characters and described them as dark skinned. Now most black folks know that if I state dark skin I'm referring to a Wesley Snipes/Lauryn Hill complected individual.
    It was whitesplained to me that I shouldn't use dark skin because all black people have dark skin.

    Yeah I made that same face you're making now.

    "What was the racefail with the Callie/Izzy/George love triangle? The fact that he left her for the blond white woman?"

    George married Callie, and at every turn treated her like a jumpoff and treated Izzy as this pinnacle of perfection. And Callie when she came on the show was a boss chick. Rode motorbikes, hung with the boys, could throw back some hard shots and was just bad ass. They reduced her to some snibbling loser who literally begged Izzy not to steal George from her because she knew she couldn't compete. We're talking it was lyrics from Dolly Parton's song Jolene.

    "I'm from KY, and was back there the summer of 2008, and it was interesting to here some of those Southern white women lick their lips over Obama. I had a fitness instructor who came to class and told us how she had dreams of him kissing her."

    I'm not surprised. Though to be fair, I suppose we shouldn't begrudge the white women for having eyesight. After all, this is Barack Obama. He's so damn fine he can make straight guys make the O face (pun intended) sleeping or awake.

    "It's interesting how in the end, a black woman usually gets to have no sex life or love interests unless she is part of an all-black cast. Or, it will be a single or few episode diversity deal..."

    That's one of the few things they got right with Naomi on Private Practice. She dated, was sought after and actually had 2-3 white dudes fighting over her, not to mention her ex husband Sam still stuck on her. I heard the actress left the show. There was rumors that she wasn't happy on set. Wonder if there was drama.

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  38. There's always drama.

    It was whitesplained to me that I shouldn't use dark skin because all black people have dark skin.

    Um...I'm not even...I-I just...won't even bother....

    Yeah. The face.

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  39. Neo: What? Seriously!

    Never mind. I shouldn't be surprised.

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  40. @Neoprodigy, are you talking about Audra McDonald? But yeah, that lady has too much talent for that show I'm sure. Definitely more accolades than anyone one set. I'm sure they didn't go over well if she was getting the men on screen too...

    Well, they have eyes but what was funny to me as that it wasn't coming from white women who would ever date black men. So it was a certain type of wealthy Southern belle that you just don't see going there. I went to a private school that was founded before the Civil War. A few of my male classmates have wound up with black wives, but I have yet to see any of the women married off to a MOC.

    What I love most about Barack Obama is that he married a tall, dark black lady. And you know that drives a LOT of people batty, since he "could have/should have" picked a someone white or light since he's have definitely have "access" to that. I love seeing the way he looks at her. We don't see enough black men looking at dark skinned black women that way. I also love how often foreign leaders openly admire her looks too. Which South American country was it where the president basically said "that's a really fine lady you got there Barack"...

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