Comments on Ankhesen Mié: Underappreciated Actress of Color #12: Freema Agye...

Great responses. And the raceFail continues.

2010-04-06T02:20:05.670-04:00

Great responses. And the raceFail continues.

@ sagredo Again...VERY white things to say. *sha...

2010-03-23T08:19:59.249-04:00

@ sagredo

Again...VERY white things to say. *shakes head* You should just quit now.

My "we" is not American. My "we" is WoC.

That you're still having trouble grasping this screams racial ignorance and denial. I'm getting a whiff of sexism off you too.

"Does that make the Doctor's characteristic unconcerned dismissal more acceptable to black people in Britain? I don't know, but I'm not convinced you do either."

No...you clearly don't.

I, on the other hand, do know. I actually make an effort to find out with black Brits think (it's a POC habit, you know, this whole "paying attention to each other's issues" thing) and surprise, surprise...we're on the same page. One experiment I used to conduct was to actually watch British TV with black Brits and fellow Africans, sit back, and let them do all the commentary. It didn't shock me at all that everything I wanted to say automatically came out of all their mouths, not just one or the other.

'Cause POC...often on the same page with these issues.

You're pitting British media v. American media in regards to actors of color, and it reeks of fail. You obviously do not know what actors of color on Western sets go through, what they represent to POC worldwide, and you've clearly made zero effort to actually find out.

Good thing it doesn't stop you from sharing that uninformed opinion though!!!

FYI, if Martha had been white, it wouldn't have been an issue. White women still have Rose and every other white character the Doctor falls for to identify with (they're given an "option", as white women usually are in media).

It is also likely that RTD would have treated a white Martha much differently from black Martha. White characters often planned for one thing usually end up getting something better (here's where it helps to pay close attention to writer/director commentary and interviews on such matters).

In the meantime, I'm seriously getting the drapto vibe from you.

However, my point is that we need to see more WoC ...

2010-03-23T02:47:40.002-04:00

However, my point is that we need to see more WoC portrayed in healthy romantic relationships (see previous post).

Oh, I see. OK. But I think your "we" is American.

When actors of color--regardless of nation--step onto Western film sets, they are "reppin'" for POC everywhere--we take note of their work, and pay extra attention to the plot and dialogue.

This strikes me as a rather American attitude, to expect British actors of colour to carry the weight of representation for POC in America as well. But I don't think the producers considered race (or anything else) in America in particular, or if they did, they shouldn't have.

Yes, it does mean that Martha as a maid is going to have Unfortunate Implications when seen with American eyes and against a backdrop of American representation, something that might be a little less of a trope to British eyes. Equally, since black British people are not generally the descendants of slaves, slavery is seen with just that extra layer of historical remove. Does that make the Doctor's characteristic unconcerned dismissal more acceptable to black people in Britain? I don't know, but I'm not convinced you do either.

Bear in mind RTD did not create Martha Jones as a specifically black role until casting Freema, and a white woman might well have been the Rebound Companion. Would that have been better? I don't think it would have meant "saving the black token" for her or someone else in a better role. Someone needed to be Martha, and I think Freema did it pretty well.

None of this entitles her character to a relations...

2010-03-22T11:50:17.651-04:00

None of this entitles her character to a relationship with the Doctor. Human relationships don't work that way. It's not a rational decision on objective merits. I will say I am disappointed with the Martha/Mickey ship, just because of the suggestion that they did that because they're both black.

And this is what I take issue with.

When I talked about Freema's beauty, it no longer had anything to do with the Doctor. Furthermore, those who ship Martha/Ten--that's their preference and their fantasy.

However, my point is that we need to see more WoC portrayed in healthy romantic relationships (see previous post). Everyone who "takes issue" with the Martha/Ten ship following always assume that all people who think Martha was underused mean she needed to be with the Doctor--uh....no, not all of us mean this.

Many of us wanted to see her with SOMEONE who matched her mentally & emotionally, and who treated her well--that's all.

Reread the part of what bothered me with Martha's portrayal, because people have this annoying tendency to either skim it, skip it, or just "not get it" altogether. Martha's infamous nickname, "the Rebound Companion", was given to her for a reason. Women of color--who are not represented nearly or appropriately enough-- were horrified to see a brilliant, beautiful, black medical student being told in episode after excruciating episode just how little she amounts to, and how no matter what she accomplishes, she'll just "never be good enough". Even worse, this exceptional black woman was shown mooning over the Doctor who claimed to be broken-hearted, and yet perked right up the moment a pretty white woman guest-starred.

Characters like Martha merely serve to stroke the white ego--male & female--and this is what invokes the ire of WoC.

Also... I'm getting the impression that you're imposing some American racial understandings on a British TV programme...There should be better representation of non-white people on American television, but looking to British imports for that probably isn't very helpful.

What a white thing to say.

When actors of color--regardless of nation--step onto Western film sets, they are "reppin'" for POC everywhere--we take note of their work, and pay extra attention to the plot and dialogue.

Freema is a good-looking, talented actress--period. She should be honored in her homeland, as well by POC here in America--period. I'm a fan--period. I'd like to see her in more projects--period. I'm not alone in this--period. This has nothing to do with me "looking" abroad for additional non-white representation; this has to with me--and other WoC like me--simply supporting actresses of color and calling the industry out on its bullshit.

You might as well have asked why I, a black blogger, am also demanding more roles for Asian, Latina, and Native American actors/actresses as well, while you were at it.

And FYI, if Hollywood can shower Kiera Knightley, Nicole Kidman, and other white "imports" with roles, wealth, and accolades, then imports of color should be no exception--period.

I agree with you that Martha was much underused in...

2010-03-22T03:39:45.656-04:00

I agree with you that Martha was much underused in general, and maybe with some of the other things you say. But I have to take issue with the shipping thing:

"Freema has the face of a goddess, the glow of an angel, and the voice of a siren--and a dedicated following. She's one of those women who, if you don't find her attractive, the problem ain't her."

None of this entitles her character to a relationship with the Doctor. Human relationships don't work that way. It's not a rational decision on objective merits. I will say I am disappointed with the Martha/Mickey ship, just because of the suggestion that they did that because they're both black.

Also... I'm getting the impression that you're imposing some American racial understandings on a British TV programme. Just some numbers I pulled off Wikipedia, America is about 75% white, 12.5% black, 12.5% everyone else, while the UK is about 92% white, 2% black, 6% everyone else. As a British work, the new Doctor Who statistically under-represents white people, who are about eleven in twelve Brits. Considered as something set in London (when on Earth), on the other hand, maybe it gets that right, but arguably under-represents South Asians.

There should be better representation of non-white people on American television, but looking to British imports for that probably isn't very helpful.

"wish she'd be nominated or recognized by NAACP or JET or Essence or something."

This is the kind of thing I mean. bcbgrl33 should probably consider which "N" is referred to in "NAACP".

Haven't watched L&O:UK, but I will not most defini...

2010-03-08T05:39:40.621-05:00

Haven't watched L&O:UK, but I will not most definitely have to. I've noticed that if I want to see WoC in a decent, I've increasingly had look to the UK...much like when I want to hear some decent contemporary music.

I don't know what's going on over there, but USA could take a few notes.

Girl you already know this ish is unacceptable. I ...

2010-03-07T18:27:52.614-05:00

Girl you already know this ish is unacceptable. I really wish her the best of luck in terms of her career and wish she'd be nominated or recognized by NAACP or JET or Essence or something. We need to support all of our sisters.

Have you seen her in Law & Order: UK. It's striking because she's surrounded by White males who, after a certain incident I won't spoil, really care for her and appreciate her. It made me long for Doctor Who to be so considerate. Ugh And she's a dynamic actress in the few moments she has to shine above Jr Prosecutor(i.e. legal secretary in Season 1), especially in the last episode of Season 1.

Also what I love about that show, is she constantly reminds them of their White Privilege as a Black woman working for CPS. Guh she is amazing

Anyway Great Post :D